I ordered these about a week or so ago and have used them 5 times since getting them, once to test and four times on actual works (3/4 shown). They're not quite as dark as say a Sharpie pen, but that's fine for me. They work really well, none of them were dry upon first use. The only complaint I really have is that for certain liners, the thickness isn't as varied as I hoped. 0.2, 0.1, and 0.05 are kinda similar and so are 1.0 and 0.7. They do well with water so long as you don't drown them. Overall, they're nice to work with and good for beginners. Would buy again!